Researching 415 Squadron Operations from January 1944-August 1944

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Re: Researching 415 Squadron Operations from January 1944-August 1944

Post by heatherje » Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:40 pm

Hi there,
Wow this is amazing! I started trying to look through the records but it is quite the task! Im amazed you found this information!! Thank you so much!

Yes, it seems he was only with 415 for a short time. I believe he finished his second 'tour' August 7, 1944 and was then 'screened'. I can't seem to find any record of many flights that he did with them...

I have found that he completed 22 operations while with RAF Squadron 158. Then he was posted to 1664 Heavy Conversion Unit, Croft on June 29, 1943 as a wireless operator instructor. Somewhere in there I think he was moved to 1666 but I have yet to find any details of that...Then he came to No.415 Squadron.

It says that he flew a total of 48 operations with the two tours of duty so I'm just trying to track down any details I can about his second operation. Cant seem to find much. Also, he was awarded the DFC as per London Gazette as he was F/O with 415 squadron so I guess thats the result of a successful second tour completion.
He returned to Gander in 1946.

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Re: Researching 415 Squadron Operations from January 1944-August 1944

Post by Temujin » Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:34 pm

heatherje wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:40 pm
Hi there,
Wow this is amazing! I started trying to look through the records but it is quite the task! Im amazed you found this information!! Thank you so much!

Yes, it seems he was only with 415 for a short time. I believe he finished his second 'tour' August 7, 1944 and was then 'screened'. I can't seem to find any record of many flights that he did with them...

I have found that he completed 22 operations while with RAF Squadron 158. Then he was posted to 1664 Heavy Conversion Unit, Croft on June 29, 1943 as a wireless operator instructor. Somewhere in there I think he was moved to 1666 but I have yet to find any details of that...Then he came to No.415 Squadron.

It says that he flew a total of 48 operations with the two tours of duty so I'm just trying to track down any details I can about his second operation. Cant seem to find much. Also, he was awarded the DFC as per London Gazette as he was F/O with 415 squadron so I guess thats the result of a successful second tour completion.
He returned to Gander in 1946.
Well so far I found just one mission (already posted)......I’ll look thru the rest of the 2 months and see what I can find. Also, you will not that when he arrived at 415 Squadron, he came from 433 Squadron.......so he must have spent time their also. I’ll look thru those records after I have finished looking thru 415. Keep checking back and I’ll continue to post anything I find

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Re: Researching 415 Squadron Operations from January 1944-August 1944

Post by Temujin » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:04 pm

Heather, I only found ONE mission he flew with 415 Squadron.

His pilot (of his crew) was killed on the 21st Aug 1944 in a flying accident. Records are below.......but he wasn’t with the crew.......he had FINSIHED his second tour on the 8th Aug 1944 and was “screened” (wasn’t sent on any more missions - Record is also below)

So as far as I can see, he only flew ONE operational mission while at 415 Squadron......I’m going to check 433 Squadron (the unit he was posted in from, and see if I can find any info on him)
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Here’s his records telling us he completed his second tour on the 8th Aug 44, and didn’t fly any further operational missions with 415 Squadron
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Re: Researching 415 Squadron Operations from January 1944-August 1944

Post by Temujin » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:40 pm

Heather, I was able to confirm that McNeill and his crew flew for 433 Squadron before joining 415 Squadron. I’m finding all their missions right now (and their were a lot) and will post them up when I have them all, hopefully in the next little while)

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Re: Researching 415 Squadron Operations from January 1944-August 1944

Post by Temujin » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:13 pm

OK, here’s all the info. J.G. McNeill and crew were posted into 433 Squadron FROM 1679 Conversion Unit on the 4 Jan 1944.

this first record is of their posting into 433 Squadron
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And then all these records of the 20 missions they were on with 433 Squadron until they were posted out to 415 Squadron
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And finally, here’s the record of his posting OUT of 433 Squadron
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Re: Researching 415 Squadron Operations from January 1944-August 1944

Post by Temujin » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:52 pm

That’s all I can find Heather. As you can see, he flew 20 missions with 433 Squadron and then 1 mission (or possibly 2, I may have missed one) with 415 Squadron. Before the were sent to 433 Squadron, the crew was at 1679 Heavy Conversion Unit, a unit set up to train crews for RCAF Squadrons.


I can’t seem to find the 22nd mission, but the records are sometimes hard to read. The “hard ones” (very dark microfilm) I have “lightened” so you can see them better........but I may have missed one.

So most of his second tour was flow with 433 RCAF Squadron.

A side note, his pilot, W/C J. C. McNeill was killed in a flying accident. His aircraft crashed into another aircraft (both crews killed) returning from another airfield. The “prop” came off of one on his aircraft engines and they were flying in a tight formation and his aircraft swerved into the other aircraft.

Your grandfather had completed his 22nd mission (second tour) just before this.

So recap, on his Second Tour:

1679 Heavy Conversion Unit,
433 Squadron, RCAF - 20 Missions
415 Squadron, RCAF - 1 or 2 Missions

Let me know if I can be of any further help

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Re: Researching 415 Squadron Operations from January 1944-August 1944

Post by heatherje » Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:01 am

Thank you so much for your help with this! I am very happy to have these records and it is amazing to read through the reports!

I have his list of attacks while with the 158 squadron but may see if I can dig futhuer to find the log reports for those as well. Those would be RAF archives I think - and I hVe yet to find any of those online although I have contacted the RAF museum in london to see what they may have in digital format.

Thanks again and once I get this all together I may check back! My son is also planning a Heritage Project on my Grandfather so if he has questions I will certainly be back!

Sincere thanks!

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Re: Researching 415 Squadron Operations from January 1944-August 1944

Post by Temujin » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:39 am

Your welcome Heather and good luck on your further research
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Re: Researching 415 Squadron Operations from January 1944-August 1944

Post by heatherje » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:32 pm

I was grateful for assistance with my first 'round' of questions and now I'm continuing to dig up whatever I can about my grandfather! I found a small blue slip of paper in some of his belongings that shows "No. 4 Manning Depot Quebec"... it seems to be a day pass, and I suppose this was his during training before he went overseas?. Is there any way to find out more information about his stay there... any records I could search... are there any photos of the facilities. I also have a casual group photo so I'm trying to figure out where it was taken.. he looks quite young and relaxed so I'm thinking it might have been during training days... I know that's a needle in the haystack but you never know!

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Re: Researching 415 Squadron Operations from January 1944-August 1944

Post by Temujin » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:58 pm

Heather, here is what “Manning Depots” did

Manning Depots

Recruits began their military careers at one of seven Manning Depots where they learned to bathe, shave, shine boots, polish buttons, maintain their uniforms, and otherwise behave in the required manner. There were two hours of physical education every day and instruction in marching, rifle drill, foot drill, saluting, and other routines. Remedial high school education was offered to bring 17 and 18 year old recruits up to the RCAF academic level. There was also a standard aptitude test: the RCAF Classification Test.

After 4 or 5 weeks a selection committee decided whether the recruit would be trained for aircrew or ground crew. Aircrew “Wireless Air Gunner” candidates went directly to a Wireless School. “Air Observer” and “Pilot” candidates went to an Initial Training School.

Recruits were often assigned “tarmac duty” to keep busy. Some were sent to factories to count nuts and bolts, some were sent to flying schools and other RCAF facilities to guard things, clean things, paint things, and polish things. Tarmac duty could last several months or more.


No. 4 Manning Deport - Quebec City, Quebec

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