F/O Carl John Shagena ???

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F/O Carl John Shagena ???

Post by georgetanksherman » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:43 pm

Greetings all, think I got a bit of tunnel vision going on, and need a bit of help PLEASE !

Researching RCAF 405 Squadron, came across a F/O Carl John Shagena, J/11948, Bomb Aimer, say he was in Halifax DT633 at time of death, now here is my dilemma, I can not find the rest of the crew or what happened... so was he flying ??? in an accident ??? or got Ill ???? Any help would be appreciated !!!


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Re: F/O Carl John Shagena ???

Post by Phil » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:13 pm

He's listed here, April 29th, 1943, the men listed along side him may be crew members.

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Re: F/O Carl John Shagena ???

Post by Phil » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:15 pm

Also found this, from the listing of the memorial inscriptions in churchyard where he rests,

http://www.bsbb.org.uk/content/pages/do ... 249801.pdf
881. 8101927 Sergeant B.F.J. PARKER, Wireless Operator/Air Gunner, Royal Canadian Air Force, 21st February 1943.
(Note: Liberator bomber crash Beaulieu Aerodrome)
882. Flying Officer C. J. SHAGENA, Bomb Aimer, Royal Canadian Air Force, 21st February 1943.
(Note: Liberator bomber crash Beaulieu Aerodrome)
883. 8109798 Sergeant B. W. TURNER, Air Gunner, Royal Canadian Air Force, 21st February 1943.
(Note: Liberator bomber crash Beaulieu Aerodrome)
884. 879756 Sergeant R. V. MCLEAN, Flight Engineer, Royal Canadian Air Force, 21st February 1943.
(Note: Liberator bomber crash Beaulieu Aerodrome)
885. R101853 Flight Sergeant E. H. SELLAR, Navigator, Royal Canadian Air Force, 21st February 1943, Age 22.
Of Winnipeg Canada
Ever remembered
Ever loved.
(Note: Liberator bomber crash Beaulieu Aerodrome)
886. R93372 Flight Sergeant F. O'DONOHOE, Air Gunner Royal Canadian, Air Force, 21st February 1943, Age 23.
Eternal Rest
Grant unto him 0 Lord
And let perpetual light
Shine upon him.
Source: From the original notebooks of Mr Belasyse-Smith, transcribed by Victoria H Ford and updated in late 2010 by Penelope Chitty, John & Kate Roome.
R. I. P.
(Note: Liberator bomber crash Beaulieu Aerodrome)
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Re: F/O Carl John Shagena ???

Post by Phil » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:45 pm

It looks like the notes from the memorial inscriptions may be wrong. From this list of Canadian Military Aircraft Serial Numbers RAF Owned, RCAF Operated it seems it was indeed a Halifax rather than a Liberator which crashed. Though this states 7 crew killed and there is only memorial information for 6.

http://www.rwrwalker.ca/RAF_owned_DK100.html
DT633

Handley Page

English Electric Co.

Halifax

B.Mk. II

Served with No. 405 (B) Squadron, RCAF. Was coded "O" when it crashed and burned at Stubb Woods, Beaulieu on 21 February 1943. 7 crew killed.
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Re: F/O Carl John Shagena ???

Post by Phil » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:56 pm

Another instance of similar data at Hampshire Crashes,

http://www.hampshireairfields.co.uk/hancrash.html
21-02-43

DT633/O

Halifax II

405SQ

Cr and burned Stubbs Wood, Beaulieu, 7 killed.
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Re: F/O Carl John Shagena ???

Post by georgetanksherman » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:09 pm

Thank You Phil, it seems that CWGC lists what seems to be a crew from RCAF 405 Squadron all killed on the same day, with the exception of the pilot, can not find a pilot, so maybe he was injured and survived ! Also found where a Halifax DT633, from RCAF 405 Squadron did crash near by at Stubb Woods, Beaulieu, but it said all 7 crew members were killed, Appreciate all the help !!!!

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Post by georgetanksherman » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:12 pm

I am thinking maybe, the Pilot survived the crash with serious injuries, and maybe sometime later might have succumbed to his wounds ??????

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Re: F/O Carl John Shagena ???

Post by Temujin » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:33 am

Record from “They Shall Not Grow Old”, Page 683

Sellar, Ernest Harold FS(N) R101853. From Winnipeg, Manitoba. Killed in Action Feb 21/43. Age 22. #405 City of Vancouver Squadron (Ducimus), Pathfinder Force. Halifax aircraft # DT 633 crashed one and one half miles north-east of the aerodrome at RAF Station Beaulieu, Hampshire. F/0 C.J. Shagena, Sgts B.W. Turner, R.V. McLeand, FS’s F.J. O’Donohoe, B.F. Parker and Sgt W.J. Hart (RAF) were also killed

NOTE: FS Sellar’s record is the one that had all the details of crash and crew, hence the reason his is the “lead info” on this crash.

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Re: F/O Carl John Shagena ???

Post by Temujin » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:50 am

The Operational Record Books
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Re: F/O Carl John Shagena ???

Post by Temujin » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:53 am

Enlarged both records to help you read it......it was a poor copy
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