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Re: S.S. Shantung / Sgt Donald Houston
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2022 10:13 am
by joppen46
Hi Again
I found this messeage on an norwegian merchant site, guest book, it was posted 2004 but the book is closed now.
".....Dec. 29 2004
From: A.H.BUTLER
SHANTUNG 1941
Hi FOLKS, seek your help.
I do voluntary research for folks,although i am ex MN one covers all aspects of services.
My MN Canadian friends rang me and ask if i could find about a CANADIAN AIR FORCE chap ROBERT ALBERT BISHOP R74699 that was lost on the SHANTUNG 25 12 1941 one can only take it for granted he was a passenger on this ship in convoy 165 bound from Halifax to LIVERPOOL and as you state in your web site that the ship was SHELLED, can you please tell me any details, which would be of help.
BEST WISHES.
HARRY H.BUTLER....."
I would like to find living relatives to Robert Albert Bishop R74699, RCAF, he was 19 years old when he drowned when SS Shantung sunk. Apparently he was from Vancover. Anyone have a clue how that could be done?
Regards
Jesper Jensen
Rörö Sweden
e-mail
jensen.roro@gmail.com
Re: S.S. Shantung / Sgt Donald Houston
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:46 am
by joppen46
https://www.rcafassociation.ca/heritage ... to-boothe/
When searching this memorial site I get the below
BISHOP, ROBERT ALBERT SGT(WAG) R74699. From Vancouver, British Columbia. Killed in Action Dec 25/41 age 19. Lost at sea when the S.S. Shantung was sunk, Sgt D. Houston was also killed. Sergeant Wireless Operator Air Gunner Bishop has no known grave, his name is inscribed on the Runnymede War Memorial, Englefield Green, Egham, Surrey, England.
Regards
Jesper Jensen
Rörö Sweden
Re: S.S. Shantung / Sgt Donald Houston
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2022 10:29 pm
by joppen46
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On the model of Shantung you can see the placment of the lifeboats, 2 on port and 2 on starboard. I know that a order went out to all Swedish ships to carry a loose liferaft on top of the cargo hatch. I do not know when this order was sent out. She was built on Götaverken in Gothenburg Sweden and launched in 1922, owned by Broström Line. 133 meters long, 17 meters wide. 5000 ihp 6 cylinder B&W machine. Speed 13 knots thats why she sailed in HX-165 convoy. HX where slow convoys out of Halifax, later New York. She had loaded general cargo and cotton in New Orleans, she then docked in Halifax Canada and borded 9 passengers. I only know the names of Bishop and Houston.
Re: S.S. Shantung / Sgt Donald Houston
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2022 10:43 pm
by joppen46
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The "Tunaholm" suposedly picked up the survivors and later some where transfered to "Gullmaren". But I have not found more info on this.
Re: S.S. Shantung / Sgt Donald Houston
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 2:09 pm
by Temujin
More pages from Admiralty War Diaries which CONFIRM that Swedish ship TUNAHOLM has picked up survivors from SHANTUNG………ALSO first records confirms sinking of SANTUNG by British Aircraft on 2 Jan 1941
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Re: S.S. Shantung / Sgt Donald Houston
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 2:17 pm
by Temujin
Also found this record of TUNAHOLM and GULLMAREN leaving Gothenburg 19 Dec 1941 on route to South America
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Re: S.S. Shantung / Sgt Donald Houston
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 7:33 am
by joppen46
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This is Swedish Colombia, built 1930's. She made 15,2 knots thus maybe truting the Swedish flag and the speed to go outside the convoys. Could it be her in the war diary?
Re: S.S. Shantung / Sgt Donald Houston
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:29 am
by Temujin
joppen46 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 7:33 am
Colombia.jpg This is Swedish Colombia, built 1930's. She made 15,2 knots thus maybe truting the Swedish flag and the speed to go outside the convoys. Could it be her in the war diary?
I’m NOT positive that COLUMBIA is a Swedish Merchant ship in this case. This MAY have been
HMCS Columbia, a Canadian Destroyer, ex US Destroyer and assigned to the Canadian Navy under Lend/Lease. She was NOT part of the escort, but may have been with another escort group at the time?? I’m checking to see if I can find anything.
HMCS Columbia was part of Convoy ON.40 which Depart Liverpool on 25 November 1941.
Dispersed on 4 December 1941 so she MAY have been in that area…….not positive, again searching for info
Re: S.S. Shantung / Sgt Donald Houston
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 12:52 pm
by Temujin
Temujin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:29 am
joppen46 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 7:33 am
Colombia.jpg This is Swedish Colombia, built 1930's. She made 15,2 knots thus maybe truting the Swedish flag and the speed to go outside the convoys. Could it be her in the war diary?
I’m NOT positive that COLUMBIA is a Swedish Merchant ship in this case. This MAY have been
HMCS Columbia, a Canadian Destroyer, ex US Destroyer and assigned to the Canadian Navy under Lend/Lease. She was NOT part of the escort, but may have been with another escort group at the time?? I’m checking to see if I can find anything.
HMCS Columbia was part of Convoy ON.40 which Depart Liverpool on 25 November 1941.
Dispersed on 4 December 1941 so she MAY have been in that area…….not positive, again searching for info
Found a record of M.V. Columbia (Swedish merchant ship) being in VANCOUVER (I assume Canada) getting ready to sail to Russia, this was in Oct 1941…..so I don’t believe it could be possible it made it from the Pacific to the Atlantic in Dec 1941……it may have, still searching for any other records
Second record is permission to use American port (in the Aleutians, if needed depending on Japanese situation
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