Rifleman Randolph Hartman Harvin

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Rifleman Randolph Hartman Harvin

Post by georgetanksherman » Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:16 pm

Trying to see if I can get further info on Rifleman Randolph Hartman Harvin, A/108341, was with the Royal Winnipeg Rifles, Canadian Infantry Corps. Born Sumpter, South Carolina, U.S.A., he tried to enlist in the U.S. Army but was refused enlistment due to an enlarged heart, so he enlisted in the Canadian Army while in Detroit, Michigan, U.S.A., unfortunately he was Killed in France on Tuesday, August 1, 1944. Buried at Bretteville-sur-Laize, France Canadian War Cemetery. I know it is a long shot, but thought I would try, appreciate any additional info that can be found !

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Re: Rifleman Randolph Hartman Harvin

Post by Temujin » Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:55 am

HIs Records George
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Re: Rifleman Randolph Hartman Harvin

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Re: Rifleman Randolph Hartman Harvin

Post by georgetanksherman » Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:40 am

As always, "Thank You" Temujin, for the info, I thought I would check to see if there was any other info out there, every once in awhile, you can get the story of what the circumstances are, so thought I would ask, really appreciate the help on this ! Hope all is well !

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Re: Rifleman Randolph Hartman Harvin

Post by Temujin » Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:00 pm

Hi George......everything good here. I was trying to find more info on Randolph thru the war diaries, I’ll be checking further and if I find anything of course I’ll post it up here

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Re: Rifleman Randolph Hartman Harvin

Post by georgetanksherman » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:06 pm

Cheers, Glad to hear things are good, will appreciate anything else that you might be able to find out As you can see, I progressed into the Army :-)

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Re: Rifleman Randolph Hartman Harvin

Post by Temujin » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:07 am

georgetanksherman wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:06 pm
Cheers, Glad to hear things are good, will appreciate anything else that you might be able to find out As you can see, I progressed into the Army :-)

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I noticed George.....this will keep you busy for a number of YEARS

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Re: Rifleman Randolph Hartman Harvin

Post by klambie » Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:57 pm

RWR went into reserve 30 Jul and it was apparently very quiet.

Who buys into the theory that his unit is incorrectly identified, he was a Calgary Highlander? They attacked Tilly la Campagne early morning of July 31. He didn't make it back (briefly noted Missing), found and confirmed KIA Aug 1?

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Original burial at MR 062612, which is between Tilly and Hubert Folie. Winnipegs were back across the Orne at Colomby.
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Re: Rifleman Randolph Hartman Harvin

Post by georgetanksherman » Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:48 pm

Thank You Klambie, the forms that Tamujin attached, it does not have a number that I can see, but the form that is above his Occupational History form, states something about him on July 27th about Calgary Highlanders, and he was Killed in Action the next day on the 28th of July, and then another entry saying he was killed on August 1st. I appreciate everyone's help with this one. And I know Army Casualties are the hardest to find specifics on, but every once in a while you get lucky and find out what happened

Is it possible that he was still a member of the Winnipeg Rifles, but was sent to help the Calgary Highlanders due to casualties ?

https://www.dday-overlord.com/en/battle ... a-campagne

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Re: Rifleman Randolph Hartman Harvin

Post by Temujin » Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:42 am

George, here’s the page in his records that “tell the story”

You can see when he arrived in Cngland, he joined the 2nd Canadian Infantry Reinforcement Unit. Basically these units “held” men that were reinforcements to front line units. When a Front Line unit had casualties, the CIRU would then send up men to them. IN BLUE BOX

Then, he joined the Royal Winnipeg Rifles (you see his rank changes to Rifleman) IN GREEN BOX - NOTE RECORDS ARE NOT IN ORDER IN THIS PART

And finally, just before he was killed, he joins the Calgary Highlanders - IN RED BOX

It is Possible that he may have been “assigned” to the Calgary Highlanders, and didn’t actually “join” (Physically) the unit yet, and was killed BEFORE he “physically” arrived.

I would have to see if we can find other records on this. The records are a bit confusing here, so more research would be needed
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